Why Do Jehovah's Witnesses Point to 607 BCE for When the Jews Began Serving Babylon?

Many claim that Jehovah's Witnesses have made up the date of 607 B.C.E. as the date of when the Jews began serving Babylon to fit with their own convenient chronology, but is that true?

Well, most biblical historians agree that Babylon fell in 539 BCE and the captives were released a couple of years later according to the Cyrus Cylinder. 70 years prior to 537 BCE is 607 BCE. But where do we get the date from? Secular historians and secular history? No. We get it from the Bible.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Bible to be infallible. So what does the Bible say? At Jeremiah 29:10, Jehovah says, "When 70 years at Babylon are fulfilled, I will turn my attention to you, and I will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place [Jerusalem]."

However, the NIV translates this as "70 years for Babylon," suggesting that the 70 years applies to Babylon rather than to Jerusalem. But is this correct? Judge for yourself. At Daniel 9:2, Daniel wrote: "In the first year of [Darius'] reign I, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of years mentioned in the word of Jehovah to Jeremiah the prophet to fulfill the desolation of Jerusalem, namely, 70 years."

No matter what you believe about the details of what or how things transpired, this clearly shows that the 70 years applied to Jerusalem, not to Babylon, from the king of Judah beginning to serve Babylon in 607 to their release from captivity in 537 BCE. This is further supported by 2 Chronicles 36:20, 21. There are no lingual acrobatics that can get around those verses.

The following article links discuss the issues in more detail:


Comments

Robert said…
Thanks for the links, guys. I've read them...good stuff!
Robert said…
And let's be honest about one thing as regards to why THEY reject the 607 date -- they don't want JWs to be right about anything. Many have latched on the 587 date primarily because it contradicts Bible chronology, and our doctrine on the matter (the real reason).

To share this true experience with you all, I had a discussion with someone who also disagreed with the 607 date, and to support my belief in the date, I simply shared the prophecy in Jeremiah stating that Israel will serve the King of Babylon for "70 years". I tied this in with the well-supported date of 537, the date Israel was restored to true worship, and simply counted backward which landed on 607.

You can image what was said to me next: This person called into question the 537 date, and even stated that scholars are starting to re-examine THAT date of restoration. Never mind that she never provided a shred of evidence to back this up, but this just shows how people will deny facts just to disagree with Witnesses.

We haven't conveniently accepted anything -- THEY conveniently DENY facts that supports Bible chronology on this issue.
Dismythed said…
And they don't realize that by doing so, they're saying the Bible lied.
Dismythed said…
An overthrow isn't like flipping a switch. Look at political events today. A nation's leadership could be toppled one year, but the overthrow might not be complete for several more years. There may be several factors, such as you can overthrow the leadership, but that does not mean you have overthrown the government. Or the overthrow may be essentially complete one year, but is not considered complete until a new leadership is in place. For example, after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, his overthrow wasn't considered complete until factions were crushed and the new government was in full control many years later.
Robert said…
There is nothing more to add to CJ's explanation, except the point that it could have taken 2 years for the overthrow to be complete, beginning with the King.
Dismythed said…
Also, there's the fact that the Jews were not released from Babylon until 537 BCE which was 70 years after their captivity. The overthrow occurred before then, but Cyrus did not post the release until after the administration of Babylon was resolved. Jeremiah 25:11 says that the 70 years date is not about the end of Babylon or any particular king, but that the Jews would serve the king of Babylon for 70 years. Now, of course, there were multiple kings of Babylon during that time, but what matters is how long the Jews would serve those kings. In 537 BCE, that service came to an end. It doesn't matter who was king when.
Dismythed said…
Gavin, if you were genuinely interested in truth, then unscriptural responses insisting upon your own ideas would be the furthest thing from your mind. What mattered was when Jehovah's people were released, not when the king was overthrown. God's word does not bend to our own will any more than Jehovah himself does.
Robert said…
Its all about disproving and discrediting JWs, CJ. They are so obsessed with that that they can no longer look at things rationally, logically, honestly, objectively, and more importantly, scripturally.

Its to the point to where they have to outright deny clear scriptural evidence because apostates MUST prove JWs wrong.

I've yet to see any other religion's apostates this obsessed with their former religion.

Dismythed said…
That's because most religions have become pretty flexible about their membership in order to retain as many as they can.
Robert said…
Right. And that flexibility can also be seen in a more liberal teaching of the Bible, or the acceptance of scholarly opinions that contradict the Bible.

Whatever makes being a "Christian" easier, and whatever makes you more acceptable to the intellectual wing of society, is what those religions are aiming for.

Robert said…
I was just thinking. The deceptive part about when apostates disagree with the 607 date is what is claimed as the reason why they disagreed with it.

Most simply say that Jws believe 607 was the date of Jerusalem's destruction, and so they checked it, and scholars agree it was 587. So they claimed they could no longer believe it because we made it up to "jibe" with 1914.

What they hardly ever show is how we came about it. One of the easiest ways to do this is to count 70 years back from 537, the date the jews were free to worship, which lands at 607. After all, the Bible says Jewish captivity would last 70 years. (Daniel 9:2; Jeremiah 29:10). The overthrow of Babylon began in 539. This date is non-negotiable in history.

So in their efforts to justify their position, they have to lie to themselves and to the public.

This is why I admonish non-witness to research our beliefs on their own. The 607 date lines with 1914 because Bible Chronology points there.

This is what they don't want people knowing...
Dismythed said…
"Independent study" tends to lead people toward the scholars because apparently seminarial and theological training is the only way to speak truth. Thus it is important to have to show people what they're not getting from the seminarians and theologians, such as showing them the 70 years prophecy and asking them to count 70 years back from 537. They wouldn't think to do that without our showing it to them. Then it becomes evident whether their interest is in the truth in God's word, or in the godless "scholarly" works of men and their unsubstantiated theories.
Dismythed said…
Added these links to the main post:

http://myaiua.blogspot.com/2008/12/607-bcefall-of-jerusalem.html

http://onlytruegod.org/jwstrs/607BCE.htm
Robert said…
Thanks for the additional links, brother! You included one I have yet to read! Its become increasingly evident that the only ones telling the truth about Jws and our beliefs are other Jws.
Neil Mc Fadzen said…
Scholars cannot agree as to the precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem due to the fact that there is no consistent methodology. Some scholars prefer 586 whereas others prefer 587 BCE. WT Bible Chronology posits a fixed date of 607 BCE based on biblical history, prophecy and secular evidence.

scholar JW
Dismythed said…
Nice "short answer" version. That's a good way to lead into an answer about the issue and a good way to keep the information in order, allowing one to reference back to the last 3 terms: biblical history, prophecy and secular evidence.
Ogba Victor said…
I am not a Jw but I am highly impressed by this. thank you
Dew said…
Thank you for all of this. I faded out from the Jehovah's Witnesses 20 years ago. But recently, I have been researching and interested again. However, thanks to the internet, I came across a lot of exJWs and forums. I was surprised by how many who either got bored with the religion, hated the rules, wanted to do what they wanted and not what God wanted, expressed perspectives of misfortune, miscommunication, misunderstanding or things that did not go their way and twist it into a negative light onto the whole religion, attack or obsessed with attacking for whatever personal reasons instead of looking at God's reasoning. I was saddened to see all of this hatred. Does not really show them in a good light if they are judging and criticizing others. If you disagree then so be it. That is what I did. I did not see a reason to attack the religion just because I left. I am just an imperfect human and have no right to condemn others or what they believe in. This just shows further of the last days we are in. Thank you for helping me with the many attacks that I came across though I did my own research and asked questions to the Jehovah's Witnesses with no fear of control of information as they say. I was able to ask and able to research. And thank you for your information in answering some of those questions.
Dismythed said…
Inded. Jude said of them: "These men are murmurers, complainers about their lot in life, following their own desires, and their mouths make grandiose boasts, while they are flattering others for their own benefit."--Jude 16

In other words, apostates are whiners who throw tantrums because things don't go their way. Along with the obsession spoken of by Paul at 1 Timothy 6:4, it indicates the narcissism that is so common among them. I'm glad you were not so affected. You clearly have a good head on your shoulders. Always keep that balanced view and may Jehovah continue to bless you with more wisdom.
Robert said…
Dew - You experience was very, VERY similar to my own. I even left a little over 20 years ago. And during my journey back, I too was put off by the lies of former members. In fact, those lies sparked my research and that is how I came across this gem of a website.
Robert said…
Thank you. Glad you found this helpful!
Dismythed said…
To Anonymous of Jun 26, 2022, 9:11 AM in the JW Advisor Welcome page at https://jwadvisor.blogspot.com/2016/06/welcome.html .

"In the scripture at Ezra 6:15 it states that the temple was rebuilt in Darius(persian) 6th year of reign. It couldnt be darius the Mede, because he had already died in 539bce, he only ruled for 3 weeks (Dan 5:30). So Darius the persians 6th year of reign was 516bce ( began to reign in 522bce when his father cambyses died). So if you go by the bible scriptures and information, and you add 70 years onto 516bce, you get 586bce, as the destruction of Jerusalem, according to the bible. If it was 607bce then surely that would mean the rebuilt date was 70 years later in 537bce.But it was not. So how come the Governing Body claim different to the actual facts in the bible?"

First, the Governing Body makes no claim to infallibility. That said, in this matter, they are not wrong (as I prove below). Additionally, the current GB is not to be blaimed for anything belonging to a previous GB. For example, no one on the current GB was a GB member during the 1975 incident, so attributing anything to them regarding the 607 BCE date is not appropriate. Be careful about developing an adverse spirit to Jehovah's appointed representatives. If you are already in full opposition to them, then I recommend you find a group that you do believe represents God, because being under the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses would only be an uneven yoke to you otherwise.

First, your claim that Darius the Mede ruled for only three weeks is based on the assumption that Darius the Mede is Gobryas who seems to have died three weeks after conquering Babylon according to the Nabonidus Chronicle. But Darius the Mede's rule has not yet been confirmed by archaeology or any ancient historian and the Bible does not say any such thing about him. So we cannot make that connection between Gobryas and Darius the Mede. The organization makes no claim that Darius the Mede was Gobryas. (Second link below.) But that is neither here no there since you have also made an assumption about what the Scriptures claim.

The 70 years prophecies do not state that the temple would be rebuilt by the end of the 70 years. That is your assumption. Instead it says that the land paid off its sabbaths, in which the land was to lie desolate. (Le 26:3
4; 2Ch 36:21) So how could the land lie desolate if the temple is being built in that time? It also says that they would serve Babylon for 70 years. (Jer 25:11) It is at the end of the 70 years that Jehovah would bring the king of Babylon to account. (Jer 25:11) Jer 29:10 says that the Jews would not return to the land until the end of the 70 years. The Jews returned in 537 BCE, according to the Cyrus cylinder, exactly 70 years after 607 BCE.

The year after the Jews returned to Jerusalem, the foundation of the temple was laid, but it was before the foundation was laid that the altar was built and sacrifices began to be performed. (Ezra 3:1-10; Haggai 2:10-18) So sacrifices and true worship were performed before work even began on the temple. This is because true worship does not depend upon the existence of a house for worship.—2Sa 7:5-7.

You would fair better to rely upon the organization's publications than those of our opposers who have left careful study behind.

Some helpful links:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000970#h=242:0-242:842

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001124?q=gobryas+darius&p=par

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_the_Great
Dismythed said…
Anonymous of Jun 27, 2022, 10:58 AM:

According to the Babylonian Chronicles, Nebuchadnezzar was appointed by his father as the crown prince (king designate) two years earlier when his father's health began to deteriorate.

I will not be discussing that further. Thank you for sharing your beliefs. This issue is contentious for many, so I will not be allowing comments about alternative views (and there are many).
Dismythed said…
Anonymous:

Thank you for identifying the broken link. It appears that the website hosting the article no longer exists. I have added the PDF link to the downloadable version you provided instead.

I will not be linking the second pdf you listed because the author has adjusted his view so that he no longer backs his statements in the second half of the document according to an online post he made about it.

Thank you for your contribution.
Dismythed said…
Unknown of September 25:

I will not be linking to anything that references Rolf Furuli, who officially announced his apostasy last year.
Dismythed said…
It is sad that every member who writes books defending our beliefs have ended up going apostate because their egos cannot be reigned in because they think themselves special.

The organization does not claim to be perfect in its understanding. We are not associated because they claim perfect knowledge. We are associated because we earnestly seek to please the one and only true God, to live forever and to associate with others who seek the same things.

It is always best to keep the message simple. The Bible says that Judah would serve Babylon from 70 years before the release from captivity. So regardless what any person or organization claims, that is 607 BCE. The details have been conjecture on all sides. That the Bible says 607 BCE is all we need to know. 1914 was the year the world changed. There is no other year that can be identified as the beginning of the last days.

I will remove the link, but I recommend you keep it simple. No argument can stand against the Bible’s simple truth.
Dismythed said…
Also, do not forget that communication with apostates is a cause for discipline because those who associate with them are sharers in their wickedness.
Anonymous said…
My relative has only read the info, supposedly has not communicated with them. Elders told him “we cannot tell you what you can or cannot read”. Im married to this person 😭. Its ruined my marriage and so much. He still goes to Sunday meetings with us… but his faith was ship wrecked for sure. Im just looking for anything to help prove the apostates wrong.
Dismythed said…
All you can do is demonstrate your faith in Jehovah and Jesus and trust the avenue of God’s spirit through the work of the faithful and discreet slave who has been appointed to look after us and keep us spiritually nourished and wide awake, awaiting Christ’s coming and the day of judgment. Perhaps through either your faith or his fear in the coming judgment, he may repent. There is nothing you can do. It is up to him and Jehovah’s spirit.

For now, do not hold it against him and love him for the qualities you like as a worldly man and discuss nothing spiritual with him. Stay strong and he may find repentance. Give him no cause for complaint against us. Show him what it means to be loyal without compromising your spiritual health.

If he insists on pushing his erroneous ideas, ask him to stop. If he doesn’t then let the elders know so that they can protect the congregation. This will let him know, by action, that he is the one driving the wedge, not you. If he does not insist on his ideas, then you have something to appreciate about him, but do not let it cause you to drift away.

Show love, but don’t let your guard down.
Dismythed said…
When a person has become intent upon seeing imperfections, we cannot convince them they are not there or ask them to stop looking for them. They will see what they want to see.
Always appreciate your hard work and dedication brother. Agape from the Midwest.