tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post5908127882331522678..comments2024-03-15T19:59:22.975-05:00Comments on DISMYTHED: Does "Theocratic War Strategy" Teach Lying?Dismythedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-34067842978332467712016-09-06T16:18:22.229-05:002016-09-06T16:18:22.229-05:00Once they convince themselves that their lies are ...Once they convince themselves that their lies are truth, then it is easy to ignore evidence, I guess.<br /><br />jazzbassf, we should never give any room to apostates at all. Once we identify them as apostates, we need to cut off all contact with them. There are no 3 chances. Apostates don't stop being liars because we make a good line of reasoning.<br />Opposers Dismythedhttp://dismythed.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-15363132249918630542016-09-02T23:08:48.144-05:002016-09-02T23:08:48.144-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Opposers Dismythednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-40607867994908210842016-09-02T15:56:43.430-05:002016-09-02T15:56:43.430-05:00After reading these comments and facts it is amazi...After reading these comments and facts it is amazing how these oppossers of our brothers can sleep at night with their consciences.You can have Jesus come down from heaven and tell them that JWs are his true disciples and they would say that Jesus has a demon.It was like the scribes and Pharisees who saw all those wonderful miracles and they still said it was because Jesus had a demon. That is why I only give them 3 chances at truth and then if they still persist I say blind guides is what they are and will fall into the pit of darkness. Agape my brothers keep up the faith.<br />JazzAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12047875536745889627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-5749091480575027752016-05-04T18:04:51.684-05:002016-05-04T18:04:51.684-05:00I'm sure these same apostates calling us "...I'm sure these same apostates calling us "liars" would hide the truth from someone trying to harm one of their family members.<br /><br />In fact, many of them register on this site and others under pseudonyms in order to "hide" their true identities. <br /><br />.bu..bu..but..that's different...<br /><br />Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16222067990028193076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-19768893310476142712016-05-04T15:53:44.285-05:002016-05-04T15:53:44.285-05:00Anonymous opposers of May 4, 2016 at 10:07 AM, 10:...Anonymous opposers of May 4, 2016 at 10:07 AM, 10:08 AM and 10:36 AM<br /><br />I fail to see the word "lie" there in the text from the 1960 article you cited. Hiding the truth and lying are two different things, and this speaks very specifically about hiding the truth from God's foes, not ours. The Bible makes clear who God's enemies are, the ones called "the enemies of the torture stake", that is our opposers who seek to harm us. (Philippians 3:18-19) If they demand to know who our brothers are so that they can unrighteously prosecute and brutalize them, we will hide the truth from such ones to protect our brothers and the organization. That is the very purpose of theocratic war strategy. But that does not require lying. It requires only keeping our mouths shut to the truth and hiding documents as needed.<br /><br />As to research, I've done hundreds of ours of research and considered both sides of every issue. Opposers like you only want your side to be heard. There are thousands of pages of lies against us on the web. This is one of the few pages where people can find the truth outside of our organization's own web site. You have plenty of places to go to find the lies. Go there. We don't need to further the lies on this site. If someone has questions, they can ask them. But if they want only to disseminate lies and dissension, there are plenty of places they can do that. It's not like my page is the only place people have access to. So your claim is invalid.Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-26467948359767668582015-11-05T10:46:16.266-06:002015-11-05T10:46:16.266-06:00Yep.
With haters of JWs, it doesn't matter wh...Yep.<br /><br />With haters of JWs, it doesn't matter what's true, but what's BELIEVED to be true is all that matters - that's why it so important for them to get the news out FIRST, mainly through a respected and credible source, that way readers can be emotionally turned against us before facts come out.<br /><br />Then, the can twist every rebuttal we may offer as being a "lie". <br /><br />I think writers and reporters should remember that apostates don't care about their careers, reputation, or credibility -- all they care about is getting lies out there.<br /><br />...because if you dare ask them for verification, they call you disparaging ad-hominems like "WT defender" or "JW apologist". <br /><br />If that isn't an indication of an evil agenda, then the writer/reporter is asking for his reputation to be lost.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16222067990028193076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-23611330540204368472015-11-05T09:27:50.237-06:002015-11-05T09:27:50.237-06:00It's unfortunate, but it goes to show how hate...It's unfortunate, but it goes to show how hate is spread so easily through mob mentality without the need for facts. That's why the Bible lumps mob mentality with a false witness. (Exodus 23:2)Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-77120150716779518702015-11-05T09:24:27.838-06:002015-11-05T09:24:27.838-06:00I noticed this reference to "Theocratic War S...I noticed this reference to "Theocratic War Strategy" and "swearing on oath" in the "Royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse" that's taking place in Australia. It was a rehash of apostate sentiments: the usual stereotype, usually, out-of-context quotes that you find on the internet. <br />Many persons fall into the trap of not verifying from Jehovah's Witnesses what they do, and what their challenges were as well as how they have progressed from times past, before rushing to the press. <br /><br />That has cost many gentlemen/women their credibility and reputation.<br /><br />Dr. Reuben Abati a prolific writer and elegant social critic in Nigeria once wrote an opinion in The Guardian (Nigeria) newspaper. His opinion resonated heavily in a subsequent official editorial of the newspaper: it was about how JWs are comparable to brainwashed terrorists when they make choices about what type of medical treatment they would accept/reject.<br /><br />It turned out - in part - that his article was based on mere assumptions about the inability of the Nigeria medical system to adequately care for non-blood management of patients.<br /><br />It turned out - in part - that Dr. Reuben Abati ignored that the victim of armed robbery in question was adequately managed and survived.<br /><br />As a result of this occurrence, a lot of question marks hanged over his credibility and reputation. He had in one fell swoop attacked a supreme court judgement in Nigeria and traded scientific medical ignorance in his articles. <br />Point being, one looses credibility and reputation in addition to acting with hate if one continues to use the sentiments expressed in words and action that is being peddled by hateful, cynical, vile opposers of <br /><br />1. JWs or <br />2. Minorities or <br />3. Unpopular belief systems<br />-Olu OluTopesonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-41111409882922285672015-11-03T15:44:37.040-06:002015-11-03T15:44:37.040-06:00Oh, it is definitely our opposers who need to stop...Oh, it is definitely our opposers who need to stop lying. How can we stop lying if we never started in the first place? :)Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-74073660452304628502015-11-03T08:26:26.361-06:002015-11-03T08:26:26.361-06:00And to add a dash of critical thinking to the mix,...And to add a dash of critical thinking to the mix, why would we need lies to get the organization out of a jam, when our lawyers have proven beyond doubt that they're more than capable of getting favorable judgments by embarrassing bigoted lawmakers, and getting rulings overturned?<br /><br />Anyone read how our winning the clearly prejudice Stratton case made it possible for us (and other religions) and preach nation-wide without having to get a "permit"?<br /><br />We don't need lies, because most of the cases brought against JWs were unfair and based on hate anyway.<br /><br />Perhaps its our OPPOSERS who need to stop lying....Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16222067990028193076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-31727452044457140682015-11-03T08:12:30.541-06:002015-11-03T08:12:30.541-06:00Guys,
I just wanted to share an actual experience...Guys,<br /><br />I just wanted to share an actual experience I had a couple weeks ago when I came across an article covering this particular subject. <br />An "investigative" journalist wrote an article (and I used this term figuratively because as revealed in the contents of his article, he didn't do much investigation on how we apply this Theocratic War Strategy) making strong insinuations that JWs will lie when, and these are HIS words, "its in the interests of the organization". <br /><br />Now, I didn't blow my top and call him a "liar". What I did was got his email address, used direct quotes from the articles CJ mentioned, and have him the magazines and page numbers in an email respectfully asking him to remove his erroneous claims that we sanction lying in order to protect the organization. <br /><br />Needless to say, its been 3 weeks, and I haven't even received a reply that he read the email. I don't know if he doesn't want harm his own credibility by reversing his position, but that's his problem because evidently after following him and his articles, he's in bed with our apostate opposers, so I don't expect anything to change if he wants those opposers to remain as informants.<br /><br />But even IF a brother makes an inaccurate or false statement, does this indicate that he's lying? Not necessarily. He may be unfamiliar with the organization's policy on a certain matter, especially if he rarely handles, or never handled, the matter in question. Or he may have gotten bad information from someone -- God forbid a JW makes a mistake for crying out loud.<br /><br />The main thrust is that lying is never encouraged by the organization. Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16222067990028193076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-35937573669108956132015-10-26T09:58:27.378-05:002015-10-26T09:58:27.378-05:00I asked a similar question to someone who asked me...I asked a similar question to someone who asked me about it James: "If someone was trying to harm your wife and kid and asked for your address, would you tell them?" By the erroneous standard they apply to Jehovah's Witness as regard this, they condemn themselves as "liars" too.<br /><br />Needless to say, I was met with silence.<br /><br />lolRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16222067990028193076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-59759425534635219312015-04-01T17:26:45.931-05:002015-04-01T17:26:45.931-05:00I had a discussion some time back about the allege...I had a discussion some time back about the alleged lying/theocratic strategy. A response I used then and a few other times: you are hiding Jews from the Nazis, is it moral to tell the Gestapo you heard they left the country? Answer is obvious and the party agreed at least on a limited basis, James Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-38284893437411244052015-01-14T15:40:12.371-06:002015-01-14T15:40:12.371-06:00Thank you, Jim.Thank you, Jim.Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-24473635338641909662014-08-14T17:08:21.762-05:002014-08-14T17:08:21.762-05:00Thank you for your kind words and I am glad you ar...Thank you for your kind words and I am glad you are returning. When you seek for truth, it is Jehovah who reveals it.Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-39885804456504134772014-08-14T16:36:55.593-05:002014-08-14T16:36:55.593-05:00Thank-you C.J. for your blog and the taking of you...Thank-you C.J. for your blog and the taking of your the time to maintain it. I am in the process of reactivating following a rough period in my life. I used to avoid the blogs but managed to find yours and a few others that help refute attacks from those against the truth. Again thank-you ! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-73797296125487550202014-08-13T16:52:27.555-05:002014-08-13T16:52:27.555-05:00Cumberland, in response to your post a couple of h...Cumberland, in response to your post a couple of hours ago, if you are getting upset, then perhaps you should find a web page to visit that does not upset you.<br /><br />I originally wanted to give you a place to receive the attention you need. But after considering some scriptures, I realized that it is best to not let you continue to disrupt the peace of my blog any further. You appear to have a very specific goal of trying to upset me, but I have preferred to be at peace. But to be pleasing to Jehovah, I need to not allow the Truth to be spoken of abusively any further. (1 Timothy 6:2-5; 1 Peter 2:12)Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-43395644279561647232014-08-12T09:48:15.291-05:002014-08-12T09:48:15.291-05:00I said something similar in A Brief Survey of the ...I said something similar in A Brief Survey of the 2013 Revised New World Translation, when I said: "Whether you go on the left side or the right, or straight down the middle, or backwards, they don't care, because they'll find fault with how your shoe laces are tied, and if there were nothing they could twist, they would make it up. (In fact, they still do anyway.)"Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-90732359034857066292014-08-09T12:48:00.133-05:002014-08-09T12:48:00.133-05:00I would be inclined to ask an objector to our loya...I would be inclined to ask an objector to our loyalty to our brotherhood: "How would your religion handle the situation? Would you really betray your brotherhood? Would saving your own skin be more important to you?" Really, turning the tables on these ones sometimes shuts their mouths. They really don't have "a point" to make except that they are fault-finders and want excuses to not serve God in truth or faithfulness. That's fine. Jehovah gave all humans free will. They don't want to serve him--fine. They want to be part of another religion--fine. In the finale, this isn't a mere argument of words. In the finale, our lives are at stake. Winning an argument is not as important as being right in God's eyes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10810102648783268285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-6396234572864301952014-07-30T21:03:29.306-05:002014-07-30T21:03:29.306-05:00Anonymous of July 30th, it is your presumption of ...Anonymous of July 30th, it is your presumption of our guilt that you need to deal with yourself. I provided proof. You should go into the publication yourself to find out what we have really taught. We have never once taught to lie. Not ever. What we teach is readily available at JW.org. Anything you want to know about what we teach is found there. We do not need to hide anything. Where there are misprints, we update the information, but what you read is what we teach.<br /><br />You have a catch-22 that YOU have to overcome, not me. You are the one making accusations based on faulty and limited information. Our opposers are the ones who show you only what they want you to see, taking statements out of context and ignoring anything that contradicts their claims.<br /><br />As for me hiding behind an avatar, you hide behind anonymity. Do I know your name? Your face? I do not reveal details about myself because I believe in keeping myself safe on the internet. I do not give my full name, nor show my face, nor state where I am from because it is not safe, nor is it necessary for anyone to know those things unless they are looking to track me down, and there is no reason why anyone should track me down unless they are looking to cause trouble. In fact, you can call that a practical demonstration of "theocratic war strategy".<br /><br />My words should be able to stand on their own merits. Knowing who I am will have no bearing on the matter. I am just a janitor, "unlettered and ordinary". (Acts 4:13) I do not need degrees to speak Bible truths, nor do I need one to speak truths about Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization.<br /><br />Do you know what the scriptures say at Matthew 5:11-12 and Acts 28:22?Dismythedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872186295008632240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-413969216273696296.post-85976355590972156442014-07-30T08:59:14.683-05:002014-07-30T08:59:14.683-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com